Do HSR stack? - Guild Wars Forums

I Will Heal You Ally · May 17, 2007, 02:40 PM // 14:40

I got a wand+focus with 2 HSR 20%. Do these two stack so you get 40% or is it still 20%?

Sophitia Leafblade · May 17, 2007, 02:56 PM // 14:56

u get two chances of 20% so u have: a 4% chance of 40% HSR and 36% chance of 20% HSR

Soul of the Scythe · May 17, 2007, 05:52 PM // 17:52

^wrong but close

If you have 2 20% HSR or HCT mods, you get:
32% to halve the casting time/halve the recharge time
and a
4% chance to quarter the casting time/quarter the recharge time

crunch666 · May 17, 2007, 06:24 PM // 18:24

Check this post out.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10040956

lennymon · May 17, 2007, 06:39 PM // 18:39

double recharge bonus no longer happens as of quite a while ago. simple answer is, yes they stack.

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Originally Posted by Guildwiki

Skill recharge reduction is capped at 50% from multiple sources, so two 20% HSR simply result in a 36% chance to HSR (if both modifiers kick in, you still only get halved skill recharge so chance to HSR = 32% + 4% = 36%).

And yes, even though anyone can post on wiki, this is true... it used to be you could get 2xHRT but not sonce last year sometime.

I Will Heal You Ally · May 17, 2007, 07:33 PM // 19:33

ok thx a lot for info

Sophitia Leafblade · May 18, 2007, 07:50 AM // 07:50

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Originally Posted by Soul of the Scythe

^wrong but close

If you have 2 20% HSR or HCT mods, you get:
32% to halve the casting time/halve the recharge time
and a
4% chance to quarter the casting time/quarter the recharge time

lol i think your maths needs improving

32+4 = 36, when it should add up to 40

You get 2 times 20% chances, =40, of them 4% (20% 0f 20%) will overlap = 36% HCT/HSR and 4% QCT/QSR

The update capped it at 50% so 40% speed increase is still possible.

Buzzer · May 18, 2007, 09:34 AM // 09:34

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Originally Posted by Sophitia Leafblade

lol i think your maths needs improving

32+4 = 36, when it should add up to 40

You get 2 times 20% chances, =40, of them 4% (20% 0f 20%) will overlap = 36% HCT/HSR and 4% QCT/QSR

The update capped it at 50% so 40% speed increase is still possible.

Take your own advice.

They are independant events so the chance of only one going off is (.2*.8)*2 = 0.32 and the chance of both going off is .2*.2 = 0.04
And as someone else stated, there is a cap at 50% so the bottom line is a 36% chance to halve casting time.

MisterB · May 18, 2007, 09:38 AM // 09:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sophitia Leafblade

lol i think your maths needs improving

32+4 = 36, when it should add up to 40

You get 2 times 20% chances, =40, of them 4% (20% 0f 20%) will overlap = 36% HCT/HSR and 4% QCT/QSR

The update capped it at 50% so 40% speed increase is still possible.

This post is incorrect. Please check your work. I know someone else has already linked this, but it bears repeating.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10040956
This post details it fully.

Sophitia Leafblade · May 18, 2007, 09:48 AM // 09:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buzzer

Take your own advice.

They are independant events so the chance of only one going off is (.2*.8)*2 = 0.32 and the chance of both going off is .2*.2 = 0.04

im not sure where u get this .8 from

but i cast a skill so i have a 20% chance, it fails or succeeds,

the other mod then triggers, giving me a 20% chance, it too fails or suceeds.

20+20 = 40!

In total u have a 40% chance of 1 or both of them triggering, so take away the 4% chance of them both triggering and u have 36%.

If i have a 20% chance falling over with my left leg, and i have another 20% chance of falling over with my right leg i have a total of 36% chance to falling over with either leg and a 4% chance of falling over with both.

and i have read through the afore mentioned thread and i dont agree with it, i may be wrong but im sure that the calulations are incorrect

Etta · May 18, 2007, 10:03 AM // 10:03

Hey! take it easy, it's on a small amount of % for godsake. God! you guys sounded like those kids in the math club back in my high school day.

Cebe · May 18, 2007, 10:37 AM // 10:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterB

This post is incorrect. Please check your work. I know someone else has already linked this, but it bears repeating.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10040956
This post details it fully.

What are you on? I don't see any difference between soph's post and the thread you link to.

Sophitia Leafblade · May 18, 2007, 10:40 AM // 10:40

You wanna Start something Etta! *Right here, right now! starts to play* hehe like id ever hurt u

were having a nice friendly discussion here.

A= I have 20% chance of a HCT
B= I have 20% chance of a HCT

z:I have A chance of HCT ??? I have a full 20% chance of HCT

y:Next mod: I have B Chance of HCT ??? I have another full 20% chance of HCT

x:I have A Union B chance of HCT ??? I have 40% chance of HCT or QCT total

w:I have A Insection B chance of QCT ??? I have 4% chance of QCT (the intersection of both Casts triggering)

v: x ??? w = 36% - I have 36% chance of HCT

Buzzer · May 18, 2007, 11:01 AM // 11:01

The mods trigger separately and independently. You can't just add them together. Imagine if the chance to halve recharge was 60% instead of 20% and you'll see my point.

Here's a question: what's the chance of neither mod working? 64% yeah? Which means at least one mod kicks in 36% of the time.

qazwersder · May 18, 2007, 11:03 AM // 11:03

64% chance of you getting no skill recharge boost
32% chance of you getting half skill recharge
4% chance of you getting quarter skill recharge

Etta · May 18, 2007, 11:10 AM // 11:10

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Originally Posted by Sophitia Leafblade

You wanna Start something Etta! *Right here, right now! starts to play* hehe like id ever hurt u

were having a nice friendly discussion here.

nah! just all this number make my head hurt!

Sophitia Leafblade · May 18, 2007, 11:13 AM // 11:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buzzer

The mods trigger separately and independently. You can't just add them together. Imagine if the chance to halve recharge was 60% instead of 20% and you'll see my point.

Here's a question: what's the chance of neither mod working? 64% yeah? Which means at least one mod kicks in 36% of the time.

The chance of both mods not working is 60%, the chance of just 1 mod not working is 36%.

If i have 3 Red beans in my left hand and i have 3 red beans in my right hand, then i have 6 red beans.

A - I have 3 beans
b - I have 3 beans

I have A union (and) B - I have 6 beans

MisterB · May 18, 2007, 11:18 AM // 11:18

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Originally Posted by Celestial Beaver

What are you on? I don't see any difference between soph's post and the thread you link to.

There is a difference, I assure you. Sophita, I have to disagree with you. The two 20% chances do not add to 40%. I think this is your point of confusion. The simple answer is 2 20% mods stack to 36% chance, because of the 50% cap update. Don't make me show my work!

Buzzer · May 18, 2007, 11:38 AM // 11:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sophitia Leafblade

The chance of both mods not working is 60%, the chance of just 1 mod not working is 36%.

If i have 3 Red beans in my left hand and i have 3 red beans in my right hand, then i have 6 red beans.

A - I have 3 beans
b - I have 3 beans

I have A union (and) B - I have 6 beans

:/

Forget the union and intersection stuff. I repeat: Imagine if the chance to halve recharge was 60% instead of 20% and you'll see my point.

RotteN · May 18, 2007, 11:39 AM // 11:39

the answer is plain easy, 2 20% HSR bonusses add up to 36% chance of HSR. Weather or not you understand the maths behind this is irrelivant. The OP asked for an answer, and he got the answer, this is a guild wars forum, not a math discussion.

May 17, 2007, 02:40 PM // 14:40	#1
I Will Heal You Ally Krytan Explorer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: In my HoM Guild: Canthan Refugees [TOGO] Profession: E/Rt	Do HSR stack? I got a wand+focus with 2 HSR 20%. Do these two stack so you get 40% or is it still 20%?

May 18, 2007, 10:40 AM // 10:40	#13
Sophitia Leafblade Desert Nomad Join Date: Nov 2005 Guild: Dragon Slayer Guild [DSG] Profession: R/	You wanna Start something Etta! Right here, right now! starts to play hehe like id ever hurt u were having a nice friendly discussion here. A= I have 20% chance of a HCT B= I have 20% chance of a HCT z:I have A chance of HCT ??? I have a full 20% chance of HCT y:Next mod: I have B Chance of HCT ??? I have another full 20% chance of HCT x:I have A Union B chance of HCT ??? I have 40% chance of HCT or QCT total w:I have A Insection B chance of QCT ??? I have 4% chance of QCT (the intersection of both Casts triggering) v: x ??? w = 36% - I have 36% chance of HCT Last edited by Sophitia Leafblade; May 18, 2007 at 10:55 AM // 10:55..

May 17, 2007, 02:56 PM // 14:56	#2
Sophitia Leafblade Desert Nomad Join Date: Nov 2005 Guild: Dragon Slayer Guild [DSG] Profession: R/	u get two chances of 20% so u have: a 4% chance of 40% HSR and 36% chance of 20% HSR

May 17, 2007, 05:52 PM // 17:52	#3
Soul of the Scythe Krytan Explorer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Boston, MA Guild: Higher Order [HO] Profession: D/	^wrong but close If you have 2 20% HSR or HCT mods, you get: 32% to halve the casting time/halve the recharge time and a 4% chance to quarter the casting time/quarter the recharge time

May 17, 2007, 06:24 PM // 18:24	#4
crunch666 Academy Page Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Montreal Profession: W/	Check this post out. http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10040956

May 17, 2007, 07:33 PM // 19:33	#6
I Will Heal You Ally Krytan Explorer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: In my HoM Guild: Canthan Refugees [TOGO] Profession: E/Rt	ok thx a lot for info

May 18, 2007, 10:03 AM // 10:03	#11
Etta Forge Runner Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Mancland, British Empire	Hey! take it easy, it's on a small amount of % for godsake. God! you guys sounded like those kids in the math club back in my high school day.

May 18, 2007, 11:01 AM // 11:01	#14
Buzzer Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Australia	The mods trigger separately and independently. You can't just add them together. Imagine if the chance to halve recharge was 60% instead of 20% and you'll see my point. Here's a question: what's the chance of neither mod working? 64% yeah? Which means at least one mod kicks in 36% of the time.

May 18, 2007, 11:03 AM // 11:03	#15
qazwersder Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Apr 2006 Guild: I'll be looking soon Profession: E/	64% chance of you getting no skill recharge boost 32% chance of you getting half skill recharge 4% chance of you getting quarter skill recharge

May 18, 2007, 11:39 AM // 11:39	#20
RotteN Forge Runner Join Date: Jun 2005 Profession: W/	the answer is plain easy, 2 20% HSR bonusses add up to 36% chance of HSR. Weather or not you understand the maths behind this is irrelivant. The OP asked for an answer, and he got the answer, this is a guild wars forum, not a math discussion.